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<font size=5><b>Lordship Rec Users Forum<br>
</font><font size=4>Next Meeting - Monday 12th January 2009 <br>
</font><font size=3>at 6.30pm in the Broadwater Farm Community
Centre.<br>
<br>
</b><i>All organisations concerned to see a better future for the park
are invited to attend.<br>
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<br>
<br>
</font></i><font size=4><b>Minutes of the LRUF Meeting - Monday
24<sup>th</sup> November 2008<br>
</font></b><font size=3>@ the Broadwater Farm Community Centre<br>
<br>
<b>Present:</b> Irene Lee and Brian Scott (Friends of Grahame Lee);
Martin Burrows (Back To Earth and FLR); Ray Swain, Dave Morris and Joan
Curtis (all Friends of Lordship Rec); Michael Loughnane, Paul Ely and
Luisa Baker (all Recreation Services); Michael Bury (BTCV);
<b>Apologies:</b> Helen Steel (FLR and RS); Caroline Jepson (FLR), Su
Jolly (BWF Centre); Anna Thomas (Maze West Residents Association), Anne
Gray (West Green Residents Association)<br>
<br>
<b>1. Minutes of Last Meeting
</b>(20</font><font size=1><sup>th</font></sup><font size=3> October
2008).<br>
<br>
The minutes were agreed with one amendment. Under item 3.3 (GLA Majors
Priority Parks Award) £1.2 million should have read one to two million
pounds.<br>
<br>
<b>2. New Playground<br>
<br>
</b>Paul Ely reported that original budget has now been judged
insufficient to allow the construction of the new playground to go ahead
in accordance with the original design. Therefore, work will not now
start next February as was envisaged. The council has asked the
architects to redesign elements of the natural play area and has
accordingly drawn up a new timetable with work now due to commence in May
with a view to the new playground being in use before the start of the
school summer holidays in late July. Luisa Baker is due to meet with
the architects in a few days time to discuss the new timetable and
aspects of the redesign which hopefully will once again involve liaison
with the Natural Play people. The Friends expressed a certain degree of
concern that a playground will not be in use during a large part of the
summer.<br>
<br>
It had been noted that the most recent plans for the playground showed
changes to the original design. Concern was expressed that the originally
agreed plan for a ‘desire line’ path between the paddling pool and the
play equipment may need to be re-instated. Paul accepted that changes had
been made and promised to re-investigate the design. <br>
<br>
<b>3. New Tree Planting<br>
<br>
</b>Planting by the Friends will go ahead as planned i.e. on
30</font><font size=1><sup>th</font></sup><font size=3> November. The
Friends have secured a grant for this of £500 from It’s Your Community
Fund. As previously requested by Paul, a log will be kept for the benefit
of the HLF of all volunteers assisting in this project. To this end
Luisa will draw up a template to help log all work carried out by
volunteers on Rec projects.<br>
<br>
<b>4. Tree relocations - Millennium Ring and Moselle memorial
plantation<br>
<br>
</b>The Forum has been in agreement for some considerable time that there
is a necessity to relocate the Millennium Trees from the south side of
the Rec to the northwest corner. Paul confirmed that this matter had
been discussed at the Design Team Meeting on
28</font><font size=1><sup>th</font></sup><font size=3> October and said
that action should be taken sooner rather than later, ideally by late
spring in order to minimise potential damage.<br>
<br>
Dave Morris however pointed out that the Tree Trust were still concerned
over the relocation of the trees, and any potential damage to them that
may happen during relocation. Everyone present hoped we could work with
the Trust over the improvements to the Rec including all the additional
tree planting, the Woodland etc. <br>
<br>
There was, in addition, a brief discussion on the general matter of tree
relocation in the Rec. Irene Lee voiced the concerns of the Friends of
Graham Lee with regard to the potential removal of up to 50% of the trees
in the memorial plantation as a result of the proposed restoration of the
Moselle river. FOGL expressed the hope that, as specified in the
Masterplan, every effort would be made to relocate any removed trees to
one particular area and not to have them scattered throughout the Rec.
This would help to ensure that the memorial plantation would maintain a
tangible identity. Paul added that it was the council’s policy not to
lose trees from its parks.<br>
<br>
<b>5. Back To Earth projects<br>
<br>
</b>Martin Burrows updated the forum on the progress of B2E projects in
the BWF centre and the Rec. Martin said that interest in these projects
continues to grow. The weekly local kitchen sessions and the Food Co-op
are going well, but more volunteers are required to help with the Co-op
market days. A Local Food application, if successful, will result in a
more permanent feature in April, but Martin stressed that he needs a lot
more support applications.<br>
<br>
It was decided to discuss the Environmental Centre and City Farm as a
separate item.<br>
<br>
<b>6. Environmental Centre and City Farm<br>
<br>
a. City Farm</b> As noted at item 2.6. in the minutes of the previous
meeting, and re-emphasised by Paul, the HLF had notified the council that
it does not consider the planned siting of the City Farm by the Lordship
Lane Gates to be suitable. This had led to a great deal of discussion
among the LRUF, Friends and the Council, including meetings with HLF
reps. Paul reported that the HLF had appointed an additional expert
advisor to visit the park and assess the various site options. His
strongly held view at that visit had been that the South East field by
Freedom Road was the best location.<br>
<br>
Despite ongoing attachment to the original preference for the front
entrance, Paul explained that a suitable alternative site must be agreed
asap if we are to avoid risking losing HLF support for the whole
regeneration of the Rec. The 2 main alternative options to the main
entrance had been the North West corner of the main field, and the South
East field. The Friends had discussed these sites at length and could not
resolve which in their view was the better alternative. <br>
<br>
We again discussed this matter. Both alternative sites have pros and
cons. However, the NW corner was not directly accessible. Martin agreed
to investigate the possibility of the Council ‘adopting’ the private road
behind the shops and houses.<br>
<br>
The SE field location was discussed in much detail. There were concerns
that the boggy nature of the ground would need investigating and works
costed taking this into consideration. There was also the issue of access
via Freedom Road and the W$ bus route.<br>
<br>
<b>b. Environmental Centre [EC] </b>In addition to housing the Mothers
and Toddlers Group the EC needs to accommodate an Environmental Education
Centre for schools etc., provide adequate space and free access for the
Friends, plus a café and toilets and possibly a small library and
resource base. The Friends group were keen for there to be access to the
public toilets directly from the outside (a design issue), and also at
times when the building is unstaffed (a management issue). Paul added
that the current council policy on public toilets is that they will be
locked at times when they are not staffed. Luisa will be liaising with
the architects over the design of the EC.<br>
<br>
<b>c. Both</b> Paul stated we need to work quickly towards agreement
on both the above sites, taking into account the drainage problems and
other key outstanding points. He outlined three fundamental issues:
<br>
<br>
<i>i. Capital costs </i>It is important to generate adequate funding
and stay within budget.<i> </i>£800.000 for EC and £370.000 for the City
Farm certainly presents a considerable challenge. Martin expressed
confidence that match funding could be raised.<br>
<br>
<i>ii. Space</i> Concerns were raised by the Friends at the size of
the EC building which will be four times the size of the present. They
also were concerned at the proposed scale of the Farm which was much
larger than originally anticipated. They wanted these facilities to
enhance but not dominate the park. They also were concerned that all the
facilities be practical to manage, and be open to the public 7 days a
week. Martin responded that the scale of the Farm depended upon the
location and that the size could not be determined until the siting of
the EC and City Farm is finalised. In his view the City Farm, for
example, needed to be viable and attractive to visitors. One suggestion
floated was to save space and management costs by reducing the number of
larger animals in favour of wormeries and aquariums etc, whilst
maintaining educational benefits. <br>
<br>
<i>iii. Maintenance and Running Costs.</i> This was not discussed in
detail, with the exception of the matter of public toilet management as
outlined above.<br>
<br>
<b>7. HLF and the regeneration plans<br>
<br>
</b>We also need to remember that planning permission must be secured for
any new developments, and the match funding must be in place. Paul
emphasised also how important it is to demonstrate to the HLF that there
is real encouragement to increase the level of volunteering and
participation in Rec projects. The Friends stressed the importance of a
good flow of information to them and the LRUF, and continuing
consultation, as part of Rec development.<br>
<br>
We need to raise match funding of £2.4 million in the next 12 months.
The council is developing a strategy to identify sources of funding,
including from the Council itself. Paul added that if we get the GLA
funding (via the ‘vote’ see 14 below) it can go to any area or project
in the Rec.<br>
<br>
<b>8. Audience Development Workshop<br>
<br>
</b>Dave and Paul (and 18 other key partners) had attended a development
workshop under the framework of “Not for the Likes of You” for the
development of increased and more diverse usage of the Rec. Paul passed
around notes from this workshop, with recommendations.<br>
<br>
The Audience Development Plan is an action plan aimed at identifying
interest groups with the principle of getting more people involved in
matters concerning the Rec. Paul added that he was keen for additional,
concerned groups to get involved in the LRUF.<br>
<br>
<b>9. 339 Lordship Lane Building Site<br>
<br>
</b>Luisa has written to Andrew Cusack (LBH Legal Services). She’s
awaiting a response re what legal action is appropriate over problems
with encroachment etc.<br>
<br>
<b>10. Utility Works Gas and Water<br>
<br>
</b>Michael Loughnane reported that bills have been sent to utility
companies regarding unfinished or problematic work they did in the south
west corner of the Rec.<br>
<br>
<b>11. Woodland<br>
<br>
</b>Ray Swain told the forum that the Commemoration Event on
16</font><font size=1><sup>th</font></sup><font size=3> November
organised by the Friends (for those killed in the WW2 air raid shelter in
the park) had been very well supported with over 70 people attending the
event by the woodland. A report from the Friends giving full details of
the event was handed out at the meeting. There had been speeches from
families of those killed, one of the survivors, reps from emergency and
support services, and the Mayor of Haringey, Alan Dobbie. The Mayor had
confirmed that he would support the planned establishment of a memorial
bridge in the Rec. The Friends launched a fund to help raise money for
the bridge (including a plaque) and there was discussion as to how best
to publicise this, including an article in a Spurs match programme. [Now
done!] <br>
<br>
<b>12. Lake<br>
<br>
</b>Mike Bury notified the meeting that the Friends and BTCV had been
discussing the problem of subsidence on the island for some time. BTCV
now propose to rectify the issue by temporarily draining the lake and
using the silt to build up the sides of the island. He said that this
could cost £10.000 as opposed to the previous estimate from Verdant
Solutions of £8.500. The lake sub group will look into areas of
funding. This work can only be carried out during the winter months and
will not now happen until next winter.<br>
<br>
<b>13. Pedestrian Counters<br>
<br>
</b>Poles supporting monitors purely for counting (not photographing!)
the number of pedestrians entering and leaving the Rec have been erected
at all entrances. Luisa reported that there had been a slight problem
with one sensor which had been pointing in the wrong direction. This is
being rectified. It was agreed to remove the one erected by the entrance
to the woodland as unnecessary clutter. It was agreed that it is
important to bring to the LRUF any future proposals for works affecting
areas of the Rec.<br>
<br>
<b>14. Friends of Lordship Rec AGM<br>
<br>
</b>This was reported to have been well attended and lively.<br>
<br>
<b>15. GLA Funding<br>
<br>
</b>There are two ‘pots’ of money available. One is for one to two
million pounds, which is subject to a mayoral decision. The allocation
of the other award, for £400.000, is to be decided by public vote.
Anyone residing in a London Borough is eligible to vote for any park on
the list irrespective of whether it is in the local borough. The method
of voting will be through the internet, one vote per person, or texting.
Luisa said that e-mails will shortly be sent out giving details. It was
agreed that she and Dave work together on this. Votes must be cast by
30</font><font size=1><sup>th</font></sup><font size=3> January
2009.<br>
<br>
Paul urged maximum publicity throughout the borough, through local
publications and newsletter and all groups involved in events and
activities in the Rec. The Friends had agreed to back this, but were
concerned not to promote ‘competition’ between parks (all of whom no
doubt need resources) they saw it more as a ‘referendum’ demonstrating
mass public support for our efforts and plans for the Rec. Martin
expressed the view that an exclusive internet voting system places poorer
areas like Tottenham a disadvantage.<br>
<br>
<b>16. National Conference<br>
<br>
</b>Dave, Luisa and Paul had recently attended a National Conference in
Nottingham on the ‘Community in Open Spaces’. It was attended by
approximately 100 representatives from local Councils, but not many
‘friends’ groups. Dave raised issues about the Rec at the event, and
also the need for greater funding generally for UK’s green spaces.<br>
<br>
<b>17. Next meeting<br>
<br>
</b>The date for the next LRUF Meeting was set for 6.30 pm on Monday
12</font><font size=1><sup>th</font></sup><font size=3> January 2009 in
the Broadwater Farm Community Centre.<br>
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